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Old 03-28-2013, 09:49 PM   #1
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Default My first 5 seconds with Windows Server 2012

...Where did i put my Windows NT 4 Server Disk at... MUST DOWNGRADE

Seriously. So they removed the start menu, put in metro and proceeded to make everything desktop based. So uh I now have to change my work flow in order to launch desktop applications from an interface meant for something entirely different.
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I couldn't believe it when I first learned that the server product would ALSO use the same Start screen as the consumer variant... it just leaves me in awe. It's as if Microsoft simply doesn't WANT the IT departments around the globe to adopt its latest OS.
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Sadly I'm studying for the first MCSA exam for 2012 because the certification for 2008 is going by the wayside come June. I'm already shuddering at the thought of having to deal with a Windows 8-like interface.
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bahahah this is how you know "modern UI" will be a complete failure.
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Windows Server 2008 R2 will have extended support until 2020. Even if Microsoft doesn't back down from this complete nonsense on the next version, that's plenty of time for your company to start a migration process to Linux servers... or Linux server software running on a windows server (since we must assume that before 2020 Microsoft will start introducing newer versions of server software that will magically not be compatible with 2008 R2).

Some solutions:

Jerry-Rigged Windows Servers

If your company is a small to mid size business, you can implement an excellent server model, based on Windows 7 Ultimate (or even Professional) with Linux Samba for your domain controller and Linux everything else for everything else (file management, email, etc). This in fact is an excellent option for a slow and comfortable migration to a full Linux-based servers model in the future serving Windows machines.

It's my favorite server model in fact. I prefer it over Windows Server on small and mid-size companies because it saves tons on Windows Server licenses and offers the exact same service -- if not better. On the other hand it has the great advantage of making your TI personnel more eclectic and capable of handling both Windows and Linux-based server software.

Other Alternatives to Windows

a) Solaris can administer a full windows-based company

b) Linux of course. But you may have a bit more problem and introduce new costs in TI management if the company retains their windows clients.

c) Plan 9. 'nough said. If you are going linux, better go Plan 9. But here, of course, things get a bit more complicated and despite some compatibilities, this should only be seen as an option if the company is willing to move their entire client base to Linux. Plan 9 is particularly attractive if you are a big company spread out across the country, continent or the globe.

If you are a big company

You are basically screwed. Many companies in the past have migrated away from or into Windows. It's no drama. But it is costly and usually involves many more considerations (having to do with the company actual business strategies) than having to change the TI personal workflows.

That said, having been a 25 year old Windows user, windows administrator, windows everything, I personally am advising everyone it is time to jump off this sinking boat. As painful as it may be to some, our companies can no longer rely on Microsoft for administration tools. With Windows Server 2012, Microsoft introduced their inane and profoundly stupid every-5-years-lets-completely-change-everything desktop model into the server field. No business can or should agree to have their personnel trained at the whim of a 3rd party company that should be there to serve and facilitate them instead. This is why companies are always resistant to adopt Windows Vista and now Windows 8. And this is even more true of their TI departments. As you no doubt well know.

It's time to start considering alternatives. Microsoft is on collision course. And you don't want to stick around if you are on a TI department.
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I tend to believe that servers should NOT have user interfaces to begin with, but Microsoft here has gone against that wish full-force by adding in a cutesy layer overtop of everything. It's just foolish. Makes me wonder what the next version of Server is going to look like. Surely most IT people are not fine with this?
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I tend to believe that servers should NOT have user interfaces to begin with, but Microsoft here has gone against that wish full-force by adding in a cutesy layer overtop of everything. It's just foolish. Makes me wonder what the next version of Server is going to look like. Surely most IT people are not fine with this?
Im not an IT person per say but I think its idiotic to type 500 characters into a command line in place of 5 mouse clicks (Talking things like mysql server (not database) management or much worse IIS type stuff where no one including the guy who wrote the damn thing has it memorized.)

There is plenty to do easily from the command line and those who are used to it do better than I do. I find a GUI server OS easier to manage from a cell phone, especially without a physical keyboard typing is just a pain to me on touch screen. If i was still rocking a physical keyboard id actually be willing and of course in slow data conditions would probably prefer.

Fact is you could implement a GUI simple enough to get the job done and only use 5 mb of ram. But no lets throw windows 8 on that lol. Microsoft apparently wanted to split the OS into a shell and gui variant but did not do it? I guess it makes sense competition wise but for me everything I run on windows that's not available on linux is things with a user interface. We start taking the GUI out I mind as well go Linux. Its down to legacy services and server side applications which i just dont run. Powershell is actually making me a bit angry anytime i type something wrong instead of coming right back it hangs for awhile...
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The problem is that we cannot abstract the command line power into a GUI. The interface would become mind-boggling complex.

CLI has a real advantage, in which very complex processes can be typed down in one or a few sequence of commands. No existing GUI can do this so easily. You would be left with a too complex interface. Naturally, for simple processes, a GUI will beat down the CLI. But we have to put that in context of the actual type of administration work we are doing. Not just say a GUI is better than CLI, or that CLI is stupid (or that CLI is better than a GUI, for that matter).

It's not because of a caprice that Windows introduced the PowerShell, you know. This was before a real problem to a vast group of TI folks whose work involved more complex or lengthy administration tasks. Even on Windows, where a GUI always dominated, the PowerShell can access areas of Windows Administration that still lack a graphical interface or which graphical interface is frankly limiting.

On the other hand, the capability of a CLI to script and automate tasks is by far its biggest advantage and one which cannot be met by any GUI in kind or scope.
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Not a fan of Windows 8 or Server 2012 and only because of the lack luster start screen. maybe M$ is expecting all servers to be touch based this year or figured IT admins needed a common user experience between helping end users and administering servers. Either way it isn't looking good and there aren't enough people complaining about it.
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Im not an IT person per say but I think its idiotic to type 500 characters into a command line in place of 5 mouse clicks
That's a major exaggeration. When I moved our site to this current server, all I was given was the barebones Debian install (which, at this point, uses about 80MB of RAM). From there, it likely took no more than 250 characters to have the site fully operational. Those ~250 characters encapsulate:

Updating the OS
Creating a user
Creating a secure SSH tunnel
Installing extra required tools
Syncing the website from the old server to the new one
Creating SQL users
Creating and importing the SQL databases
Editing the configuration for Apache and other tools
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The only front-end on the server is for our SQL management (which is way, way easier than using the CLI for most things) - but that's Web-based, much like WordPress is. As a general rule, I like servers that are as light-weight as possible... doesn't have tools and software I won't be using. It means there is less chance of a security hole, as well. We don't even install an FTP server... because we don't need it, and it's one less potential issue down the road.

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That has nothing to do with the OS itself. I am 100% fine with services like that running on the server. It's the desktop portion that's ridiculous to me. It's not just overhead, it's the fact that there is a complete desktop environment for a server that should never have to be accessed physically. It's a SERVER! What I am trying to say is, even without a desktop environment, you could still connect to it through graphical tools (like we do for our SQL).

I truly believe that if you master a CLI, you will be more efficient in taking care of server configuration and trouble-shooting than with a GUI. I don't have experience with Windows Server, but I sure as heck have a lot of experience with tweaking and using Windows in general.

This of course is all thrown out the window if typing in general doesn't come naturally to you.
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Not a fan of Windows 8 or Server 2012 and only because of the lack luster start screen. maybe M$ is expecting all servers to be touch based this year or figured IT admins needed a common user experience between helping end users and administering servers.
I could totally understand remotely tapping into a server with a tablet or something, but realistically, that'd be useful only if the changes needing to be made are simple. I really hate having to type in numbers and things like that on a touch device... it's way easier with a numpad or keyboard in general.

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Either way it isn't looking good and there aren't enough people complaining about it.
It's almost insane, isn't it? It's unfortunate... I think a lot of people are just saying "Well, I'll skip this version then", not realizing that it's not going to go away if no one complains about it. That assumes Microsoft doesn't ping companies on a regular basis for feedback though.
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maybe M$ is expecting all servers to be touch based this year.
Sucks balls for remote admins such as myself. If my company wants to set me up with a touch capable lappy, then I'm cool with that.
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I really hate having to type in numbers and things like that on a touch device... it's way easier with a numpad or keyboard in general.
What devices have you used to type on? Also why don't you like it?

As for the server stuff, I don't use it and its absolutely idiotic to put a interface built for touch on servers. Personally I think people are not complaining too much since it can be made to look and act like windows 7. That or they just straight up are not using 8 so have nothing to complain about. I am kinda afraid I am going to have to grab 8 and use it if enough people do. Depends on how many people come to me with 8 though.
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That's a major exaggeration. When I moved our site to this current server, all I was given was the barebones Debian install (which, at this point, uses about 80MB of RAM). From there, it likely took no more than 250 characters to have the site fully operational. Those ~250 characters encapsulate:
Not sure how it could be a major exaggeration. Some IIS command line stuff requires that even though I am doing the default equivalent of the GUI operation I must still specify no less than 5 switches on top of the file name and path, identifier. Ive had a single operation that normally spans maybe 2 dialogs take between 3 and 5 seperate entries into the command line

In the GUI the operation is a drag and drop of the file, type a name and click a button. The switches provide a path to a much more configurable solution and is much easier to update with new options. However someone somewhere felt the need to hold on on any sort of defaults.

Id provide an example but it might take me awhile to find. I checked one basic command thats say 117 characters but I would also consider that to be a full operation all additional operations a separate issue.

I love SQL. I can't say I would want to see a large result come back on a command line but then again thats what web interfaces are for right? But i do prefer manipulating data via SQL rather than some GUI.

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I truly believe that if you master a CLI, you will be more efficient in taking care of server configuration and trouble-shooting than with a GUI. I don't have experience with Windows Server, but I sure as heck have a lot of experience with tweaking and using Windows in general.

This of course is all thrown out the window if typing in general doesn't come naturally to you.
One does not simply master CLI. One must master every version of every executable or service they will be dealing with. Maybe its the autistic spectrum problems I face but having to keep up to date on the latest changes to a programs already 100 page documentation is a bit of a pain in the ass.

Memorizing a programming languages entire syntax is easier to me than remember part of a single programs command line syntax. One changes every few years the other changes every few days sometimes. Then again I guess thats what desk references are for. For something simple such as Teamspeak 3 I have to pull out the Server Query manual every time I need to do something low level. Honestly if the server is not in use I prefer just to edit the database directly.

As far as typing goes I am not sure. I failed English twice and fail to grasp the concepts of sentence structure and many other things. Typing wise I type with 2 fingers WITHOUT looking. I type around 80 wpm this way and I did later take keyboarding and properly I type maybe 53 wpm. Pecking doesn't require hunting though usually when I start a sentence I glance down to see where my fingers are as I don't bother to come to rest on the home keys. My method is with its downside even for me and that is when switching keyboards it take a few minutes to get adjusted. On my main keyboard I can type blind folded I usually know when I have hit the wrong key. Which I think is why I hate touch so much the lack of tactile feedback completely kills my ability to type.
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That's a major exaggeration. When I moved our site to this current server, all I was given was the barebones Debian install (which, at this point, uses about 80MB of RAM). From there, it likely took no more than 250 characters to have the site fully operational. Those ~250 characters encapsulate:
I had to type well over 250 characters into a command line interface just to navigate the directories, then tell LinuxMint to make a file it had just unpacked executable, then give it my credentials just to make it begin an install. Even with the yes all flag it took awhile, which is hilarious because I had the file already open in a folder from after I'd just decompressed it. In windows I can just right-click to extract, double-click to install, and bam I have GPU drivers installing. Linux makes installing system drivers take 10 minutes assuming one readily remembers the directory tree and CLI commands.

A good server OS will use the strengths of both a GUI and a CLI to complement each other, with the exception being those OS's that need to be minimal installs. And any build of Windows Server 2012 can be installed without the GUI stupidness, or revert to a command line interface post-install. All it takes is some command line knowledge...

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Well yeah... that's because MOST server admins are not using WIndows Server 2012 yet. And of the small percentage that are, I'd bet most of those are using only the CLI install of it without the GUI. Otherwise I definitely agree, the blowback would've been huge by now.
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